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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 1, 2016 17:10:56 GMT -5
Hi!
It's been a while. A real long while. After homestuck ended, I came back and checked these forums out, and ever since I've been kind of lurking to see if people are interested in keeping it going. And from what I've seen, they are! There's a whole bunch of you guys using the forum right now. Which brings me to why I'm making this post: these forums are kind of a mess. And by kind of, I mean they're a real big, huge mess. The coding on this site is pretty bad, and the way everything's organized is even worse. In short, when I was younger I very clearly had no idea how to design forums.
I like to think that's changed now, so I'm proposing a new forum. A better SBURB Unofficial, with nicer graphics and less seemingly random boards (trust me, even I don't know what I was thinking with the "Down The Rabbit Hole" board). What I wanna know is whether you guys would be interested in this and, if you are, what you would like to see on that forum. I'm already planning on including better mini-profiles and a better character creation system should you guys want me to go through with making this, and obviously the sites going to look a heck of a lot better.
So, yeah. That's pretty much it! I'm all ears to any ideas you guys might have, although I can't promise I'll be able to include everything. Thanks!
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Post by soothSlayer on May 1, 2016 18:13:00 GMT -5
Yo, severely late boarder on the Replay AU here. Got back into Homestuck RPing last summer on MSPARP, saw the link to the fic on the forums there and looked into it further. Lucky me to find these forums just as they were rising from the dead.
I can see what you mean in regards to the site design, especially with the duplicate boards about Aspects. I would be fully 100% behind participating in a new set of forums.
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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 1, 2016 18:21:13 GMT -5
Awesome! If you've got anything you'd like to see, either in terms of boards or general lore, I'd love to hear it! I'm trying to compile the sites lore so that there's actually an easy to access record of everything that's canon to this setting, so any suggestions are super welcome. B)
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Post by smashingBrawler on May 1, 2016 18:25:17 GMT -5
Having first lurked around here back in 2012, I gotta say, I think these forums have a lot of charm - at least in the backlog of all the posts - a lot of good ideas and things worth keeping (like the designs from crystalizedQuills on the third page of the "non-canon symbols?" thread, as an example - actually there are a lot of cool designs in that thread). Maybe some chaos, too, but Rain players need places to vent too sometimes. I'd totally be up for a new & improved forum - but I wouldn't want to risk this place disappearing completely. I know a couple of forum service providers will erase forums that show no use for a really long amount of time - is there some way to preserve this place?
Either way, I'd be okay with somewhere new and improved, and I might even be able to help. I'm no expert with code or anything but I'm not completely out of my element either.
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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 1, 2016 18:44:04 GMT -5
To my knowledge, this forum should be safe - I've got a forum that hasn't been used since 2013 that's still in existence, even if it's unused. However, it'd always be possible for people to continue posting on here even after a new site's been put up, if that was a worry. I wouldn't dream of closing this forum really.
Thanks for the offer! At this point I'm literally just after ideas, but if I come across any problems when I'm putting things together I'll let you know! Maybe you'll be able to see something I can't. B)
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Post by alphanumeric on May 2, 2016 9:28:16 GMT -5
I'm a pretty new member on this forum, but personally I really like the look of this place - its got a lot of charm and kind of reminds me of older internet forums. If you want to create a new one thats fine with me, but I agree, this forum should be archived somewhere
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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 2, 2016 11:15:52 GMT -5
I'm trying to think of ways to integrate this site with a new sites canon, and I was thinking it'd be interesting to treat this site as one that had fallen under corruption and now acts as a quarantined archive? That way OOC its still accessible to everyone and links directly into a new site, and IC the characters will be able to refer back to the "old version" of SBURB Unofficial and keep its spirit alive. Other possibilities include time shenanigans and some kind of accident regarding the fictional server the site is stored on and a group of PKs or otherwise malicious players. Obviously this is all open speculation right now!
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Post by horrorTerror on May 2, 2016 11:45:00 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned somewhere that either this or the IRC was kept temporally linear by some time lady somewhere in an intentionally void session because the escape vessel the original hosts of this server used finally landing or whatever???, or that's how temporal linearization is established in the first place (i.e. a time player devotes part of their pluck regen or a pluck-free but mentally stressful power to making several timelines act relatively linearly provided no interaction other than the forums/IRC/etc on server occurs to avoid Homestuck-level time shenanigans). Maybe we could just say the forces keeping it temporally linear are mysteriously unavailable or disappeared like everyone else who left and so nobody posts on it anymore because it tends to lead to time shenanigans and it's mostly a relic?
Generally coherent canon rapidly went full Homestuck and split into several versions. ...actually good idea, me. You could also say that due to version drift and different 'regions' of Paradox Space canon is considerably more flexible than normal for an RP: Nefer's in the happy chain far away from us and everyone's jealous of them actually getting their universes and not jealous about the murderous extradimensional zebras, the flux point of 'has already happened' varies wildly between sessions and is partially a linearization convenience in the first place, same thing with timestamps, and the general excuse for wild differences in some stuff is that 'some sessions have genetic quality XYZ in their parent frog, but another session has qualities QRLPV and yet another guy has XQ7L,' etc. etc. and so on and so forth, to the point where we even have different Others watching different sessions.
Interestingly, this site is still linked to from the GGTG guide. Might be where we're getting all the guests and once-then-unreturning members from.
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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 2, 2016 12:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds pretty good - some kind of problem or time glitch in the void session leading to this forum being a kind of "time hot pot". Don't post on here, because you'll end up talking to about ten different versions of yourself! Man, that'd be a fast way to a headache. Plus, that would explain why the sites still accessible even if IC use "isn't advised", whereas corruption would bump that straight up to "use at your own peril, we need to get rid of this site pronto".
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Post by alphanumeric on May 2, 2016 12:07:07 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned somewhere that either this or the IRC was kept temporally linear by some time lady somewhere in an intentionally void session because the escape vessel the original hosts of this server used finally landing or whatever???, or that's how temporal linearization is established in the first place (i.e. a time player devotes part of their pluck regen or a pluck-free but mentally stressful power to making several timelines act relatively linearly provided no interaction other than the forums/IRC/etc on server occurs to avoid Homestuck-level time shenanigans). Maybe we could just say the forces keeping it temporally linear are mysteriously unavailable or disappeared like everyone else who left and so nobody posts on it anymore because it tends to lead to time shenanigans and it's mostly a relic? Generally coherent canon rapidly went full Homestuck and split into several versions. ...actually good idea, me. You could also say that due to version drift and different 'regions' of Paradox Space canon is considerably more flexible than normal for an RP: Nefer's in the happy chain far away from us and everyone's jealous of them actually getting their universes and not jealous about the murderous extradimensional zebras, the flux point of 'has already happened' varies wildly between sessions and is partially a linearization convenience in the first place, same thing with timestamps, and the general excuse for wild differences in some stuff is that 'some sessions have genetic quality XYZ in their parent frog, but another session has qualities QRLPV and yet another guy has XQ7L,' etc. etc. and so on and so forth, to the point where we even have different Others watching different sessions. Interestingly, this site is still linked to from the GGTG guide. Might be where we're getting all the guests and once-then-unreturning members from. Yea, I know a decent amount of people who got to this forum from the GGTG guide, maybe have him update the guide with a new link or post something on here redirecting new members to the new site should we decide to move
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Post by technicolourCapitalist on May 2, 2016 12:12:51 GMT -5
I'll write an IC post on here regarding the move if it goes forward to help redirect people, and if anyone could contact GGTG about adding a link to a newer site that would be awesome!
EDIT: Ok so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go forward with making a new forum, and I've been messing around with designs and such. So really the first thing I wanna know from you guys is, what kind of boards do you wanna see? What are your favourite boards on here that'd you'd like to see reflected there? Are there any boards that don't exist here, either in the OOC section or IC section, that'd you'd like to see?
Also, would you guys be interested in a thread that would allow you to pair up with other characters to create sessions? This would be for your characters current session most likely, due to the fact that native sessions are gonna consist of people your characters are already friends with rather than random strangers. You'd have the option of choosing a session to join or being randomly placed into a session - I think it'd be a cool way to give characters a relationship with one and other and keep up the randomness caused by SBURB, but it'd only really work if you guys wanted to use it.
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Post by horrorTerror on May 3, 2016 9:52:19 GMT -5
I think that'd be useful. Session coordination might be worth a whole OOC board or sub-board (under charhelp or OOCchat maybe?) of its own though considering the breadth of topic. Maybe subboard it to character help or not either works. Words of warning: thought process of multiple people jammed into one post and written over itself so yeah. Not sure whether Aspects-merged board and Titles should stay separate, or if you could merge it into a coordinated Mythos board for any and all Sburb lorenastics and title and aspect threads all at once in the same space, maybe even Lands-denizens-stuff-like-that since some components of land quests are tied to classpect. If it's not merged a Mythos section should be established with aspects, titles, and lands-denizens-landquestlines-etc-Actually wait I think I misread the entire way this forum works. Help & Advice is just that, but Mythosboard is a good idea either as a large-scale 'how do I my entire part in this session' board but it might just fit into the Roles consolidation idea below. Put Title and Aspect as chatboards and rename the overarching section from Off-Topic to General Chat maybe? The forum is primarily assistance but emotional support over the internet is plenty an assistance of its own. Semantics I know but it avoids making discussing a vital part of Sburb seem offhanded . The Aspects in Help-Advice just needs to be consolidated into Roles hard since it's not strictly titles anymore with that board. The OOC and IC greetings boards either need MUCH clearer delineation to stop multiple IC threads from being tossed in the OOC section and staff won't conveniently relocate due to it being rather sudden if changed (as with here), or merged into a singular board and threads can be clearly tagged as [IC] or [OOC] like how class/aspect threads without clear titles get an [Class/Aspect] tag, but as OOC and IC boards are supposed to be separate for obvious reasons it might be best to just have it say "This board is for Out of Character introductions to new users and people leaving" since mixed intros might get a little confusing fast. Not sure what can be done about people not reading headers, but YMMV and if people are active staff can fix it anyway. Other than that the OOC section can be left mostly alone beyond fixing that weird 'pinned in every possible board and sub-board' thread problem or otherwise tagging as OOC whatever posts escape into IC areas. Carpe Nates might actually be worth remaking as an AU Shenanigans board or altfic or pretty much anything else hypothetical situationy that'd be unreasonable IC but too hilarious to just leave an idea. Keeping Track as a whole section can pretty much be left as it is designwise, though Terminology List probably goes better under General Advice if it wants to be active. Game Stories can probably be merged into a singular Real Life Storytime board (or kept named as Game Stories) and then tossed into Keeping Track, and maybe add a Creative Works board next to it or in whatever we're calling the general chat section in case anyone wants to share their IC art/fanfic/originalfic/Sburb-made-this-but-it's-actually-good-so-I'm-sharing-this/etc. stuff works. Game Diseases and Ectobiology and Frogbreeding can probably be merged into Emergency and General Help respectively, or made into a singular Less Emergency, Help Needed board, I think the rest is really just your call but I think it's mostly fine. Thoughts?
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Post by Interested on May 4, 2016 16:06:08 GMT -5
I first read the Sburb Glitch FAQ years ago, but by the time I learned that there was a whole RP community built around it, I couldn't figure out how to get into it, which was disappointing because the premise is really cool. If a new forum would revive the RP and make it more accessible for new players who don't have the time to sift through tons of confusing logs to try to understand the existing canon, I would definitely jump on board.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on May 4, 2016 22:20:42 GMT -5
Actually yeah, interested makes a really solid point - having a conglomerated canon superpost could actually be pretty useful (there's one in the rules section, but it is from like... four years back?
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Post by Interested on May 4, 2016 23:27:00 GMT -5
I just read through that summary of the plot, and it sounds like even back in 2012 things had gotten complicated enough to be pretty discouraging to a new player--I can't even imagine how much more confusing things are now, given an additional 4 years and an apparent universe reboot that I've been seeing mention of @-@ In my opinion, if you're moving to a new forum, now might be a good time to start with a clean slate (especially given how much of the community seems to have died out over the years), but then again, I'm currently an outsider and don't really have the information needed to say what would be the best for the RP.
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