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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 28, 2016 10:36:46 GMT -5
So, Heqet claims that she's being poisoned... by Maria. Apparently, after explaining the situation, she went violent, trying to kill Maria, who fled. So... from the sounds of it, yeah, we're gonna need a ring. That said, I think I'm getting an idea on how we can fight this - could a Waste of Void bring a denizen into a session if the session was lacking one?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 28, 2016 12:03:34 GMT -5
A Waste of Void is for getting rid of things; waste as in wasteland, devastation and emptiness, not inserting things a la displacement-of-void; 'catcalysm with' is far more common than 'cataclysm at'. If Sburb's interpetlicious is getting plastic again maybe, but I doubt that's even remotely reasonable unless roleplaying requirements bugged out too, which is not out of the question. I am not following your train of thought at all, but denizen-v-denizen fights are a. not a thing because denizens are mostly close friends, and b. usually any attempts at lead into fighting two or more angry godlizards who outrank and overpower the rest of your session put together sans the other denizens, maybe red miles, and skaianwill which will not act, especially not against them.
Presumably the World is getting pissed about having a Grace of Space and is roping Heqet into Her Spacey Problems. If the World can't put up with her own champions she sure as hell isn't going to tolerate the Beat getting into her proxychambers, so...Mist would be a good flavor for this but- wait, an idea has hit me!
Send the Void player to ask Heqet wtf is going on in place of you. If nothing else they're conceptually butting up against each other to the point they're neighborlayers so maybe the will of Space and frogs will restrain her maternal psychoses in order to give a clear answer to dear brothersister V id. Feel free to transcribe or have Their Spacinesses speak directly.
ESPECIALLY ask about how the hell the poison actually works, since as a World-emitting archbeacon she's more protected than Maria is against getting radiation poisoning or anything else for that matter and can probably do a better Sustained By The World freestyle than she can too. To think, flickerexistences verdancy-erase might be more a voidy problem later...
Just to be clear, Maria isn't chucking nuclear weapons at Heqet, right?
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 28, 2016 13:31:56 GMT -5
God no, she's not insane. Neither am I - my plan isn't to start a denizen fight or anything, my idea is to replace Heqet when/if she dies - Getting rid of the lack of Space denizen - so yeah, more of a cataclysm at void than with void. I... may not have a solid understanding of how void stuff works. Either way, we've got Terry heading over her way now.
Maybe I'll go and ask Hephaestus about it, we could use the help.
Felix and Louis are both freakin' out a little, and their Denizens are both already down so we've decided to send them to find their quest beds right now - we'll probably need the firepower if these events go off in a crazy way. At least our lives will be guarded and a degree of destruction should be combat-able.
I also have no idea what Lilia is doing, every once in a while I hear laughter and look around, but I can't seem to spot her. Does Rain usually do that kinda stuff to people?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 28, 2016 14:50:07 GMT -5
Rain does what it wants, the only thing you can be sure of is insanity and usually laughter. She's probably either found some method of invisibility or is just really good at keeping duplicloneselves safely out of sight. The least you could do is nothing, but something with only slightly more effort is actually pull out a computer and chatclient at her with a direct asking of whether she's there or not.
No title in your session has ANY roleplay requirements to keep secrets at all and standardish Guide interpretation is good for avoiding doing so, so the only reason not to overshare is if you want to avert sealing too much into known alpha for the sake of your illusion of free will (or actual free will depending on if metastatic flux sealing is operating in your timeline possibility or not, it's really all luck/predestination bullshit that uses too many made-up words to make sense coupled with the hell of questions that is fixed-timeline travel with doomed timeline materiainsert). As the Time player you're the one who's going to be hopping around time and deciding how this loosewire axialself is going to currently pre-perceive time and-
okay I'm a squid and this is too much work to explain tl:dr how are you going about time travel? Is there a sense of 'current' time gradually moving forward like how timestamps and sessionspaces are not always accessible or is it 'the entire line is already sealed in alpha and necessary doomed timelines besides, free will is an illusion'? It varies by area of paradox space.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 28, 2016 23:51:16 GMT -5
For time travel, definitely the first option. I don't think we've got a perfectly sealed alpha yet, aside from what I can gleam from being able to post on here - which is still iffy 'cause I can only do it in a linear fashion - I occasionally use the timestamps on here to get a fix on what I was doing at the time and work around that, actually. But for sure, the alpha only ever feels set in place when I look back on the past, not moving towards the future.
Lilia basically told me that she's working on a big plot of "something" which will be really important when "the time" comes, but for now is "best left to mystery" so she can be showing us for the first time when "it" happens and then reap a massive roleplay bonus when she'll need it most. She's also not invisible, just popping in and out of the Magicant, apparently.
Anyway, word from Terry. He doesn't have an exact log or anything, but here's what he got apparently: The poison is more like an event that is in progress but hasn't actually become apparent yet in full, and is caused by Maria's existence. Terry is "going to be the blade through which she applies the poison". Maria is "not required for the alpha timeline". Heqet is "doomed in all versions of the alpha in which Maria lives".
It seems like Maria's life is tied to Heqet's death, and vice versa. Are space denizens even supposed to be that good at timelines? Hephaestus is currently telling me they have no idea how time actually works, and have no sense of timelines.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 29, 2016 6:46:13 GMT -5
This is most likely true unless Hephaestus is in a lying mood, which he almost never is. The fact that Space survival is not an Imperative prefixed is...not good for Maria, so don't let her permadie (wait that's obvious right).
I mean, you could have Terry cataclysmically void any reason for Heqet to stay in session and/or have Maria simply nuke her out of it directly, but since even a Prince of Breath is underkill for a denizen in angry mode backed by the plot you guys might need to resort to a mass teamup. Heqet has a gazillion Life and a few Mist abilities so how the hell is she going to die from anything she can fling at her until you go all the way until cataclysm and/or nukes lol.
Alternatively Terry's void aura and the magicant in general are hiding Lilia's plot of secrecy and Maria will be the tool who triggers Lilia into blowing up stuff by hopping out from Terry-
Quick question: How good is Lilia at connotative insanities and can Terry punch open magicant entries now? This might save us a few questions on 'can she jump out of the void player or something the void player casts' and put the speculation-spewing beasts at the *office* to rest.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 29, 2016 14:44:02 GMT -5
(Yes it is obvious.) From what they're telling me, yeah, that might be able to happen at some point. Terry's managed to open a couple of magicant openings. Hephaestus told me that we're probably best off getting a ring and avoid Heqet for now. He then told me to kill him. I guess I needed to appreciate him a little more before it happened. So... another Denizen is down, and I guess I'm off to the unde- No, no this was too messed up for me not to talk about it. I just killed someone in cold blood. How do people... y'know, deal with that?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 29, 2016 14:54:40 GMT -5
Most Sburb players are considerably more bloodthirsty. Most troll and/or post-scratch worlds are even designed with producing cold-hearted killers in mind, conveniently enough, sorry/not sorry you didn't have to go through that. It comes from bad parenting and sometimes genetic or cultural predisposition. I think there's a quote about how absolutely everyone on the members list could go PK from a bad day alone, and that's just those who don't want people dead already. Most of the time Sburb hijacks your coping mechanisms and more or less brute-forces the vast majority of long-term trauma effects, and psybuffs usually prevent the PTSD from surfacing while you're still in the middle of trauma, but there's only so much that can do.
Essentially it's a player thing. You more or less learn to cope with being a puppet and killer, and you do have to put up with this garbage until you die a horrible death and then get to spend eternity in bubbles or wandering stringhells. Sorry that I can't help, but if there's anything I and/or anyone else can do to help, feel free to let me and/or them know.
To be fair, remember how you didn't really kill them, or even in cold blood. That thing didn't die when you 'killed' it, you merely made it go to a new world. And he asked.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 29, 2016 15:05:17 GMT -5
I... I guess you're right. I should probably be off to the underworld now, gonna have an easy time opening that first lock. Hephaestus wasn't really that much of a jerk to me in the long run... I guess. Which reminds me, I remember hearing about rules to follow in the underworld to avoid angelic corruption, any advice on those? I'd rather not end up on either corruption scale.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 29, 2016 15:43:47 GMT -5
The laws of angels are. ...a
Ngaaaaaaaaahhhhh. I hate them I hate them! Point of the Mountain, woolen sabers, but they can silence virtue in damnation aaaaaaaaaaa
Their stupid rules make no sense. The garbage winged dildoes are all up to rip out your soul piece by piece! This is why they cover and covet the Heart of your Land, for it is yours by echo! Do not ever forgive them! NO MERCY! NO REMORSE! Kill the beasts edge by edge! Go, give us your heart and we'll kill them together, the whole hundreds of them! I won't let another hero get their shining self torn to pieces! End them!
GSHDGDGHRRBCXBJGRHGRGRNDHHSEIOEQUWIEIDHDNNXXNXNCBDGWOWO
That rage over with, I have no idea. They are bullshit garbage. Do not bother with them, leave them alone or kill them all, preferably the latter if you have the ranged firepower or griefing potency. Run if you anger them. Do as GGTG says but either the relevant law has been destroyed or angelblocked, so I know little of the customs of my foe, since my existence is kinda their enemy too and thus we always fight whenever we near.
Since blowing up the holies (misnomer and lie blasphemous to we and you and all other gods) binding and attracting them to your/your land's heart is apparently not illegal some large percentage of the time depending on BS rules, do that. Desecrate their ruins. Defile their tombs. Break their urns. I beg of you, end them. I dare you.
Bring weird bugs, the anti-rangoon kind, preferably alchemize them into an angel-blocking accessory charm or several. They chase out angel corruption and rebuild to guard against the weakening of your soul when you are in an infected Underworld (notice how ggtg gets all...weird about his and everyone else's experience there, like his self got suppressed a little) . The whole Underworld arc, even its ingame programming, is tainted by angels so don't forget to get hugged after doing too much down there. Don't get any angel white ichor on you and get hugged a fuckton until you are you again if it does. The vast majority of the functional Underworld that even is a game abstractreal anymore is still angel corrupted either by itself or when alchemized so be careful.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 29, 2016 18:59:38 GMT -5
Okay, so... I've spent a while, and I'm in. Trashing all the temples, trying to avoid breaking the rules. So far, I'm feeling pretty good. This vandalism feels... honestly pretty justified. I never thought I'd be so okay with "heresy". Not that these things are even close to actual gods. They're such a- oh god everything is red and black broke the law gotta run talk to you later bye!
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 29, 2016 21:54:25 GMT -5
Try not to die, don't lose your soul!
Sburb's metaphors get all creepy during the Underworld, especially with Time as whatever weird nightmare brings up the nightmare heir is conked out by the beat mesa of a scratch construct but Sburb doesn't think burying your corpse a zillion times makes up for lost self-analysis. I think there's an article correlating some stuff about plot arcs in the core guide but idk where it is.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 30, 2016 0:43:58 GMT -5
You know, Fred. I don't get why you hate the angels so much, they aren't so bad. They've really been growing on me. Once you get a good ear for what they're signing, it all kinda begins to make sense. There's no success to be found here, only damnation. We're all doomed anyway. To erase it all is to be set free. Yes... to erase - to reverse it all. I know where I must go now.
It is time to flip the hourglass, and thereby free us from the cycle.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 30, 2016 10:02:30 GMT -5
You need a hug. Find the nearest coplayer and hug them. Do it. Do it now. Or make out with a frog. Eat a weird bug. Kill yourself (on the appropriate slab to godtier). Fly out to the furthest ring and drink the ichor of the nearest squiddle spraying it at you. Y'all angelcorrupted if you can make sense of those dudes. And don't fucking touch that scratch construct.
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Post by trepidatiousPacifist on Apr 30, 2016 12:16:04 GMT -5
Ugh, my everything hurts.
So the good news is that the second I hit the surface I got swarmed by Lilia's dupliclones. One was hugging me, but that wasn't doing enough. So I, being pretty corrupted at the time, did the obvious thing and started fighting back. She used this to lead me all the way to my quest bed. It turns out she'd brought Felix to it, as it would a) probably give him some solid roleplaying bonus for destroying the destructive, b) be easier for him to kill me, and c) breath doesn't give a damn about angelic corruption. So, y'know, next thing I knew I woke up on Skaia to a slew of messages explaining the above. I then promptly re-equipped some pants, as per your earlier suggestion.
So, uh, new personal rule. I'm not going near the underworld without Felix around. We've all pretty much agreed he's the escort now since Breath players are apparently immune to that stuff. I think I would've been fine if I hadn't gotten caught off guard and then swarmed when I broke the law. Still, I'm never going there alone again. Felix is currently ahead of the game because he breezed through the underworld, and the only ones whose denizens are still alive are Terry's and Maria's (probably). I have no idea if Lilia is done in the underworld or what, she's been mostly laughing lately rather than explaining. I think both Maria and Felix are starting underworld diving right now.
Terry's had some... serious challenges with their denizen. Like, I don't know if it's their own stuff or just that the Denizen is brutal. Is Erebus usually hard on it's players?
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