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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 18, 2016 13:47:55 GMT -5
Okay, so, earlier I mentioned that my session has just faultyCoordinator, sanitysController, and myself. I also mentioned that FC is a Thief of Hope, that SC is a Muse of Dream, and that I am currently Seer of Blood. I didn't even think about it until I walked in to meet my Denizen and he just totally started laughing his head off about how 'I hadn't even realized the problem' yet, and basically that's what caused me to realize that we don't have any essentials. We don't even have a mist player who can replicate an essential.
Edit: None of us have practice with vagabouncy, would/could this fix our lack of forge? Will we need to start looking for exploits?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 18, 2016 14:37:44 GMT -5
Ask a consort immediately if you're Nobles, not heroes, then ask them if any heroes are coming.
If you're Nobles, the game beyond the independently souled Denizens is aware that you're in a session sans essential features. If heroes are coming, you'll be fine you just have to wait for your cavalry to show up at some point and save your asses with functional Space and Time lands and players, so avoid dying (duh) and generally it's just a waiting game. Play well to avoid triggering the Reckoning early though as if the war's over before said heroes show up you're done for unless they brought a Battlefield too, which isn't impossible. Godtiering will probably help because on the odd chance your session's decay scripts fail or will not kick in for ages you won't die of being too old to fight as the game needs you to.
If no heroes are coming...you're basically stuck, I guess. Welcome to your final session if you don't take an alternative out. If your denizens refuse to offer any boons or the veilgates are gone there is always Others corruption as a way out.
If you're not qualified as Nobles you're supposed to have some way of winning. Whether that is actually real is another question entirely.
Wait. I remember something.
You have an odd number of players, which usually indicates something is wrong. Do the dream moons have a fourth currently-unused prototyping tower, or more blatantly another dream tower on the moon with only 1 currently-landed player, possibly with someone on the inside?
There's a thing in the Veil you're supposed to look for in a case like this, too. It's machinery that allows you to replay if...everything's just wrong, I think. Something something a bed and a dial, making your next session a guaranteed space player who can be rescued from being comatose in the veil in a similar location to be entry-fied from a house thing to a land below this, or a non-Space player who might not be woken up because they're not strictly necessary to success. Since your session lacks a Space player this mechanism probably provides you with one, and if there are two the second might contain a Time and then someone else. There should be a room with stuff in it you can throw in to decide what their prototyping will be when they wake up and enter to below Skaia and below the victory platform, it's in a FAQ somewhere.
Hopefully Sburb put a Space player in a box for you.
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Worst comes to worst and the ENTIRE Veil has absolutely nothing of that nature in it (the thing's pretty damn huge though), check if you have any volcanoes in the session that could be denizen-dealt to replace the Forge, and have it be dealt to do so. Then, acquire a queen's ring (Black Queen has [RED MILES] but she breaks fewer things when defeated because the game sort of expects that she be a fightable enemy at least and it's probably best to remove that carapace-exclusive weapon from the session). Chuck said ring in the synthetic Forge to activate it, as the Queen's rings are a backup to stoke the Forge when it cannot be lit due to the original space player's quest requiring use of advanced space powers you have no way of hell in learning as a non-Space-cadet before the session ends and said space player is dead or in your case nonexistent but the duty is still necessary. go to Prospit and begin poring through the libraries about Space majjyks, and collect absolutely ANY frogs you see anywhere. Contraband Frogs occurring on non-Frog lands aren't usually necessary to Gfrog making but they might share enough divinegenetics status to contribute attributes useful. Alchemize contraband frogs with imagery of universes and Spacey stuff as that sometimes makes frogs that viably could be used in Gfrog production. Some of the Prospit libraries on Space stuff reference pieces of genesis frog genetics, so maybe you could use the ectobiology labs to put together all the frog genes you can find to make a cancerous dying-of-genetic-disorders part-gfrog glitchverse which, while utterly shitty if it even counts as a universe and if genesisArtificer was here he would probably fly out to the Furthest Ring and beat me up just for the idea and the World will hate you all the way across forever for sinning against Her Spaciness, it might count as something enough to trigger the replay button to escape from your session, since to be honest the universe was even more a victim just because Sburb built this.
However, it doesn't need to come to that. Comb the Veil.
EDIT: Vagabouncy only fixes mythological role errors, not landgen errors, which not having a Forge technically would be since it's a construct independent of player which relies on someone spacey bringing a volcano or their Land spawning with one.
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 18, 2016 15:22:34 GMT -5
Okay, so I asked them about the nobles thing - the thing just got all... confused. Second thing I did was ask the lil' dudes if any heroes are coming, to which they replied, and quote "They are already here." - Now I wanna be clear, when I double checked earlier today, they said there were just the three of us - suddenly it told me there were six.
The three new titles are Smith of Void, Bard of Law, and Sage of Space. Oh, and I got pestered by one earlier. You guys are gonna love this.
I think the Smith of Void hid the planets, and maybe the existence of all three of them, maybe with added effects thanks to the Bard. It would coincide with why my attempts at using seer abilities refused to go past this point in time before. Either way, I'm pretty sure this is both confirmation that a) we have a chance (because space player) and b) we've got a huge problem (because AZURITES). I'm gonna be... away for a while, I think.
HT, what are the odds you or your colleagues could help us, I dunno, wreck these guys without damning the session?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 18, 2016 18:14:10 GMT -5
Are the azurites fusions or something? It interference at chat client...Actually, did your sessions fuse? They seem to have been there before. Time is sick...
There are some sleazy possibilities but the fastest way to deal safely would be keeping a low enough corruption level from owner-neutral objects only to avoid losing your free will but having some measure of absurdly high stats. Probably best to escort your dreamself to its Sacrificial Slab on-moon to tier and clear if the dark side's not your thing and/or you still die to Azuriteism. Worst comes to worst be prepared as hell for interchampion strife.
Most horrorterrors politically involved with sessions are either part of active takeover movements or passive observation only. I could probably send a servitorbody but I don't know anyone who both will not go 'yay kill everyone' and will not 'trigger every security measure from the Black Queen to an inverted reckoning to angel releases' who is close enough to say yes to a favor.
Anyways, the best way to go corrupt without having to fly out to the edge of your session and get eaten alive by the horrorterrors who love the taste of dreamselves and realselves (I will admit to visiting a dreamer cloning bay bar repeatedly the taste of human flesh is amazing even more so when it's seasoned with aspects and ideoplasm) is as usual irresponsible alchemy.
Do you have any creepy-looking occult stuff or cthulhu mythos lying around your spires? Virtually anything and everything non-angelic non-clown and non-candy in a 'do not alchemize' list?
Grimdarkness is at least partially a personal dealio and it's a lot easier if the person so infected is a competent majjykian. What's your specibus again?
...gonna have to change my sig after this lol
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 18, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -5
Okay, so, I'm smart enough to y'know, only use corruption as a last resort - I'm still a page at heart and can handle myself in a fight.
Current theory is that the smith created something to actively hide the three from the session - additional note, though, is that since then the other three planets just kinda showed up - probably the smith's device shutting down. Current suspicion is that we do have two separate successful entries because of how well each set of people knows each other. That said, the planet we currently suspect to be the planet of the space player seems dim right now - don't know if there's a death involved or just sleep. We also just found that the dream moons are more populated that we thought, I was awake on my dream moon just long enough to get ambushed and backstabbed. No idea who killed me. The others are still okay on Prospit with who I can only assume is the Space player
I think the Law player was restricting our spawns earlier to hide their prototypes, or something else - I have no idea. Maybe it's a glitch or null or idek this session is weird but now that they're showing up, I can safely say we have two very strong entry prototypes - namely, we've got what I currently think was a Harlequin or Jester or something, and then also what I 'm currently guessing was Art of War. It is entirely possible that two of them were working to make this whole situation a death trap for who they thought was the only other play, the space player - who hopefully is still alive somewhere but who even knows...
Just theorizing right now though, SC's a lot better at weird contrivances but she's currently looking into the space player's dreamself, y'know, to see if they're just sleeping.
FC, meanwhile, is using her tech skills and her AI to see if she can't get into some of the systems and figure out what's going on/who's alive.
If SC responds with a negative on the "is the space player is an azurite?" thing I'm gonna head to the planet and see if I can't help them. Well, after god tiering, that is. I can see the quest bed on the horizon. Talk to you soon.
-SB, current Seer of Blood
Addendum: Oh! My current strife specibus is shotgunkind because I wanted to try being all show-offy with my friends, now I'm actually pretty glad I have something potent.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 19, 2016 6:46:26 GMT -5
"Harlequin or Jester or something" prototyping?
Jack Noir is likely going to go apeshit and kill the absurdly OP Black Queen stabsplosively due to an outfit issue within a relatively short span of time after that prototyping affects the royalty.
Expect wraith shortly. Sorry.
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 19, 2016 9:36:58 GMT -5
Don't blood players have some kind of way that can pacify Noir at the cost of the invulnerability? Or at the very least the ability to show reverence to his stabs? Could it be possible to get Jack on our side?
Either way, we're not going down without a fight. SC has confirmed that the space player is very much alive and awake on Prospit, and he is also nice, as opposed to, y'know, murderously insane. I think FC's got something crazy (aka normal for a rain native) up her sleeve - namely she's taking the fact that the Prospitan agents are active as a launchpad to try to make a request of the White Queen to give their leader (or maybe Parcel Mistress - she did mention something about the power of mail but it might've just been rambling) her ring for some wraith vs. wraith action since, with me having just gotten up on Skaia, we're all pretty incapable of accessing Derse.
FC has confirmed that we're dealing with two Azurites and a fresh player from what she and Adam (An AI she's had since the beginning, probably the only reason that first session got access to SBURB) were able to gleam from getting into Pesterchum, and is in the process of locating her own quest bed.
Any horrible ideas mixed in with all these plans or do we have a shot?
Edit: Skain clouds support hypothesis - I've seen two wraiths in combat, as well as at least three figures in front of the reward, I also think I know what the azurites look like now.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 19, 2016 12:27:50 GMT -5
NOTICE: Completely read this post before acting on it. There are a few high points followed by disclaimers and I would rather not have deaths on my tentacles.
Wasting the pacify ability and durability to boot is a tad unnecessary if you can handle being stabbed for minor missteps that could be seen as infractions against his style. Blood players are plenty durable so as long as they keep a lifey heal spam onhand to deal with stab wounds they just need to avoid stab triggers. If Jack Noir isn't already hellbent on murdering you to death I GUESS you could try showing reverence to the stabs when he shows, but there needs to be a guide on the popstar who collectively wins the 2nd place for the Asgore and Toriel Award for Excellence in Child Murder just after Sburb itself I swear.
Oh dear.
Wait, your session's success is practically guaranteed by prophecy? And you have no time player so doomed offshoots are gonna be way less common or otherwise not-time-managed (Have the Thief of Hope handle doomed timelines when they happen by any means other than her not-in-alpha death, as Hope has at least one maybe two of the super-rare non-Time-related abilities related to fixing doomed timelines in the form of a direct buff to going back and preventing it)?
You are literally obligated to not lose unless that's another session being shown.
Some red flags:
1. WQ is not gonna give up her ring, at least with her consent, unless there is a very pressing situation from her perspective. Would you hand over your sentimentally beloved treasures to some random person who you outrank and have no reason to accept their random request? Exactly. You could probably get more accomplished by sneaking in when she's asleep and breaking her throne to the point she can wander around beyond her normal ring-related constraint radius (probably another Thief of Hope job). It breaks fewer things to take 1 NPC out of certain routines rather than two out of many of them, but PM has higher raw stats so YMMV and with prophetic backing who knows. Actually, second thought.
2. Mandated Tactician's Oversight. You the Seer and also that Sage are gonna screw something important up (likely separately) and something like this seems yours. Wraith v. Wraith might not end well and/or permakill a few allies, but Sburb is gonna screw up stuff either way so I can't really give a healthy opinion because it'll be undermined. Whatever I suggest Sburb could easily drive wrong. Ooh, wait, maybe it's THIS that's oversight! Who the hell knows? Not me. Possibly also the victory shot could be from elsewhere. Even befriending JN could go horribly wrong and get someone killed.
3. how do you know what the azurites look like again
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 19, 2016 12:50:34 GMT -5
I'll go through these in reverse order because why not.
3. Skaian clouds and process of elimination; assuming they're only showing this session.
2. It might be possible that my failure already occurred when I didn't/couldn't put together the whole 'three hidden players & planets' thing but I dunno.
1. I'm thinking wraith v wraith might be the best option, especially know how capable PM is. On top of that, SC has some really good experience with PM - she managed to complete a mail quest back when she got rain for the second time (using a lot of weird rain-based game-breaky stuff) - even if this isn't the same one she's got solid experience with mail. FC's on board with the throne breaking, but she wants to see if FC can pull off the deal first.
Now, to re-iterate, I saw three figures in front of the reward, for all I know that could be the azurites and somebody else - I didn't get a good enough look to be sure.
One last thing, if memory serves, I think I remember something about the Dersite agents each liking a specific kind of candy - any confirmation on that?
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 19, 2016 13:33:35 GMT -5
Jack Noir loves these black licorice scotty dogs.
CD loves licorice gummy bears.
DD loves licorice swedish fish.
HB loves wax lips.
Sometimes they keep one or two of their favorite candies in their hats, so try scrying inside those to make sure you've got the right kind. Try not to rescind offers of candy or you will get stabbed, exploded, speared, or crushed respectively.
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 19, 2016 15:02:49 GMT -5
Awesome, perfect. Gonna make sure we all have like, 80 of them on hand to try to pacify the guy if he comes our way then. I specifically plan to offer them in reverence in response to him stabbing me, should it come to that - though I don't think it will.
I don't know how, and I'm not sure I want to, but SC managed to get WQ to agree to the PM version of the plan. She's gonna get a formal request for the PM to deliver the Black Queen's ring to us, after fetching the WQ's ring to have the potency necessary to take on Jack. - This is, however, if and only if we can prove that Jack has the Ring in some way, which I think might mean I need to head to Derse and get stabbed. Better get those licorice dogs... Wish me luck.
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Post by Nefer Nightbug on Apr 20, 2016 7:28:12 GMT -5
Okay. I wish you the best of luck.
May the Symphony play in your favor. May the kaian cycles align and reveal a way. May the Horrorterrors have mercy on your souls.
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 20, 2016 9:54:34 GMT -5
Alright, so, lots of good news and a little bit of bad news! The bad news is that Jack totally has the ring, and has stabbed me about 5 times now. The reverence thing seems to be working to a degree, but the stabs keep happening every so often. Good news includes the fact that I have a photo of him, and that I am currently leading him to the White Queen. He might suspect being lured into a trap, but I might just know my enemy more than he knows himself - the scotty dogs have been a complete success in regards to getting him to follow along. (Even if does go in for a stab every so often)
FC just messaged me; she got a hold of her quest bed, and made sure to bring a Sunslammer-zone boss along with her to allow her to tier. FC has found the Magicant (she always does - it's kinda unnerving since she isn't even a void native), and is considering trying to vagabounce into Rain - is there a specific way to guarantee an aspect? (Vagabouncy is done though a mirror in the magicant, right?) Oh, also, she said that there was evidence that somebody had been through, probably the void player.
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Post by horrorTerror on Apr 20, 2016 12:39:44 GMT -5
Lack of knowledge on the subject of transference aside, wasting a good strength aspect championship like that is unnecessary, and after tiering is a little late to try and change symbols without the direction of everything following...Can FC just settle for becoming a decently accomplished rainwizard without making it their mythos?
For all its upshots Rain is still fundamentally Insanity and the Strife of Hope takes losing a champion viciously, especially if it has to whisperingfight a lot, so it's probably a tad dangerous to put too much crazy in the wrong place. Some not-mythos more personally learned Rain might be exactly what that one needs without risking session stability. Plus, it's gonna save time in the future when they don't have to vagabounce out of whatever because sometimes Title Plasticity is very low.
A Seer of Blood is the viewer of reinforcement and connection, so it's a good idea to look into this. Does the Pulse or anything else foretell a change in aspect championship or not?
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Post by smashingBrawler on Apr 20, 2016 14:01:09 GMT -5
Oh, whoops, I totally misspoke earlier - I was actually talking about SC for everything after and including the magicant. Sorry about that - I'm getting a vague sense that Rain does want her back, (she is the Rain native, after all) - especially with how often she's been rolling Dream. She wants Rain specifically because of how comfortable she is with it, and wants the edge against the azurites.
The wraith situation has officially been averted, both rings are now in my possession, and I guess I'll be returning WQ's. This session is feeling... too easy... something fishy is going on....
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